Posts by Muddy Waters

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When did you start getting ANGRY?

by Separation of Powers in

when i started the fade....i recognize that i was upset, mainly because of the desillusionment.

but, over the course of the past several months, i am noticing an increasing anger toward all thing org.

it can only be described as indignation, not simply upset.

Muddy Waters

This past year was when I really started realizing the impact of following the cult's directives in my life.

I hurt so many people of my non-JW family. And now most of them are very old or dead and so all those years are lost, all those opportunities are gone. I never went to family reunions or get togethers. When my "worldly" family invited us to anything, even a summer barbecue, I would see it all as a temptation from Satan. Couldn't have association with them! I hate the way I behaved as such a smug, self-righteous little JW b*tch. (I guess my user name is confusing, but I am female).

I wouldn't even pray with my dying Aunt because she went to an evil, demonic church. On her deathbed, she wanted to see me. So I came, with my stupid New World Translation and tried to share a few verses, but she wanted to hear the 23rd Psalm and have me say the Lords Prayer. *And I refused.* I don't know how I can ever forgive myself for these actions.

You hear people talking about Karma and stuff like that, and if there is any truth to that, then I am screwed. I was a horrible, totally indoctrinated JW. I have so much regret in my heart also at the strict way I raised my little children. I know now how much they suffered.

I am now an old lady who also gave most of my vital, adult life to the WT organization. It is a huge betrayal.

As Ray Franz pointed out, they play with life's MOST VITAL AND IMPORTANT ASSETS -- your time, career, family, work, who you marry or don't, whether you have children, your hobbies and spare time... all of you and your life and choices are supposed to go toward the "kingdom". I was one of those people who truly believed that you were supposed to love Jehovah with your whole heart, mind, soul, and strength (and all the million minuscule ways you're supposed do that) -- it truly MAKES ME SICK NOW. It literally turns my stomach and makes me feel physically ill. I cannot see myself EVER, EVER being involved with religion ever again. Believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster makes almost as much sense to me as the GB being Christ's brothers. The Bible makes no sense to me any more and I can't even stand reading it. It all makes me ill.

What gets me now is how the WTS takes and takes and takes and takes and gives NOTHING back if and when you need them.

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Name the GOOD things and NICE things about Jehovah's Witnesses

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so in the interests of balance....(as it has rightly been pointed out that i am getting more bitter toward the org), can we think of any positive or nice things about jehovah's witnesses?.

just throwing this topic out there....... .

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Muddy Waters

They are... punctual. Their meetings always start on time, and usually end on time.

They know how to arrange and stack chairs.

They also really know how to make the most of 1950 clothing styles and fashion.

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David Splane Destroys the Very Foundation of 1914- Corp. Meeting New Light

by scotoma in

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at the corporate meeting david splane discusses the use and misuse of types/antitypes.. the main qualifier of a type is that an account must be represented in the scriptures as a. type of some future event.. he quoted schroeder who said if an account isnt explained in the scriptures as a type than you.

shouldnt use the event as a type.. splane summed up his talk by saying if the bible is silent - we must be silent.. but they go right on celebrating the 100 years from 1914 which was determined by improperly.

going beyond anything written in the bible about nebuchadnezzars tree dream.. the bible specifically refers to the immense tree as representing nebuchadnezzar.. daniel explained it and that should be the end of the matter.. .

Muddy Waters

Oh gawd.... If Dave-id Splane is or becomes the new "oracle" of JW-land, those poor R & F are in for a horror show.

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He Got Reinstated . . .

by Hamahead in

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feeling low today.

i haven't posted for a long time (forgotten log in details = new username) i'm in a good place with my family now and have built a life outside the religion.. today i found out a good friend has gone back and got himself reinstated to be able to have contact with his elderly mother.

that is the only reason apparently.

Muddy Waters

At times, I am still able to jump into my JW head (yes, it is a frightening, terrible place! :) -- but I think I might see what you might be feeling or getting at.

You were, and are, being shunned hard by your "dear, faithful, loyal" JW family And it has caused much pain and loneliness for you and those closest to you now. You know they are being bravely supported by all those other faithful, loyal Witness who keep encouraging them for their fine, strong stand. And are they not a fine example indeed! Look how their faithful stance is being blessed (by whatever theocratic bullshit & privileges).

And so you are shunned, left out, and hurt.

And here is Another family, perhaps not so loyal and faithful to Jehovah and his righteous standards.... Why yes, they are hypocrites according to the standards of this religion!! And they are also not disciplined when they do not shun in the same way.

When someone buys into this religion hard (as I did, and as your family, from the sounds of it, also did), then these are the way of things. And when other families "in the truth" are not so "faithful" or are even, gasp - spiritually weak!! - this is also the way of things in the congregation (and there are always those situations!)

yes, it feels like duplicity and according to the standards of the JW world, it is not right! so maybe these are the feelings you are trying to come to terms with.

it might help to remember there are different levels of belief and indoctrination -- and if the GB had their way, EVERYBODY would be "sheeplike" and follow their counsel!!! And yes, many people do (I sure did!!!). And then there are other people in the congregation who are more balanced, and I mean that word in the "worldly" way now, the non-JW meaning of "balance" which the JWs have also tainted by their bias and prejudice.

in some way, shape or form, this religion hurts everybody, some more than others. I am sorry you are going through this.

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Recent Update - Service Report

by Da.Furious in

on oct. 22, eight brothers were released from prison in turkmenistan by presidential amnesty.

(see 2014 yearbook, p. 31) the ninth brother is still imprisoned, but it is hoped that he will be released shortly.

some were already in prison for three or more years and had been severely mistreated.

Muddy Waters

It is my understanding that in order to retain its status as a tax-free, religious organization, the WT needs to prove they are a charitable organization (NOT!!!). The "preaching work" is the ONLY "charitable" thing they do.

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Apostate with the HIGHEST ENTERTAINMENT VALUE has to be this lady

by Terry in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swgzcvh3rns&feature=youtu.be.

she is magnificent!

katie kitten.

Muddy Waters

Love her!! lol. ty :)))

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Embarrassed and Glassy-Eyed stop by

by wheelwithinwheel in

two brothers doing the territory stopped in at my place.

i kept them on the step.

after some hellos and catching up, i said so you folks are on tv now.

Muddy Waters

Excellent, Blondie! Now we just need a golden calf with JW.org on it!!

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Looking for Alan F's essay

by BluesBrother in

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can anybody help me find on line the essay about the watchtower' s deceptive use of quotations?

i mean the one where alan goes to bethel and has a meeting with a senior person from the writing dept, and he can see no wrong in misrepresenting anothers words, if it makes a good quote.. alan's old on line url of geocities,com/osarif does not seem to be up any more .

i would like to use this in discussion with an ex elder of my acquaintance.. thank you..

Muddy Waters

Marked! ty

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The Kids Corner at Bethel!

by Atlantis in

from a jw site.. .. a nice little corner for the young ones at the central america bethel branch in mexico.. .. .. .

.. .. nevada!.

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Muddy Waters

There is a weird visual discrepancy for me in the photo. It shows both Caleb and his parents walking AWAY from the light... Walking away from what looks like a paradise-like setting, and Caleb running AWAY from a door, with a burglar-sort of body language. Like he's trying to get away fast.

It it just strikes a wrong note.... like they pictured it backwards....

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Watchtower encouraging members to go and preach in Israel

by wannaexit in

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an odd letter was read at last nights' meeting.

it was in regards to a special campaign for next year arranged by the governing body to go and preach in israel.

the call is going out to anybody that speaks hebrew and english.

Muddy Waters

Tech49, I think you are right. In William Schnell's book, "30 Years a Watchtower Slave", he described how Rutherford would DELIBERATELY send in his "companies" (publishers/colporteurs) into areas of high resistance to stir up persecution, which he would then push through the court system to help the WT gain legitimacy, protection, legal status, publicity, sympathy, and whatever else they could gain from having his minions be beaten, thrown in jail, tarred & feathered, etc.